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12/6/19 Ted Galen Carpenter on NATO’s Dirty Little Secret

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Scott talks to Ted Carpenter about the NATO secret no one wants to admit, which is that part of the alliance involves America promising to enter a nuclear war in the defense of its allies, including the Baltic states right on Russia’s border. It hardly needs to be said how dangerous this is. Carpenter reminds us of the original promise not to extend NATO eastward, which has since been broken many times, even to the extent that some want Ukraine added to the organization. He says this would be like a hostile power adding Canada to its alliance. Carpenter advocates disbanding NATO and allowing European powers to figure out more reasonable defense arrangements for themselves.

Discussed on the show:

  • “NATO’s Dirty Little Secret Is Out” (The National Interest)
  • “Exploring the Role Nuclear Weapons Could Play in Deterring Russian Threats to the Baltic States” (RAND)
  • “NYET MEANS NYET” (WikiLeaks)

Ted Galen Carpenter is a senior fellow for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute. Carpenter has written 10 books including America’s Coming War with China: A Collision Course over Taiwan and most recently NATO: Dangerous Dinosaur. He is a contributing editor at The American Conservative Magazine and the National Interest.

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